In Avengers we use Discord as our primary communication tool on raids, and therefor it is required to to be on discord on raids.
You are not required to speak on discord, but all raid instruction are given there, so you need to be able to listen to us.
Go to https://discord.gg/kDtNmCa in a browser, or download the app and join the server with the same link, join with a user name that is the same as your in game Main character.
Changing your Primary
We understand that occasionally you may want to change your primary character. The guild allows this, but with conditions. Firstly, the guild leadership reserves the right to reject a "normal" primary character change if they determine your primary is a class that has low attendance and you are attempting to switch to a class that has lots of high attendance raiders. However we will generally try to accommodate all primary changes so that people can play the characters they wish.
A normal Primary character change will result in a charge of 100 DKP (The price may change).
Primary switches can only be done a maximum of once every expansion. After Luclin/PoP era is complete (starting in Gates of Discord), a character you wish to make your new primary will be expected to be decently geared in high quality group gear at minimum, ideally prior-expansion raid quality gear. The officers will additionally audit your character's AAs to insure you have a proper amount of AA for the era.
Special Berserker Primary Changes
We don't want to overly-penalize the players who wish to have a Berserker primary, so we are offering a free primary switch to Berserker, but you have to meet special conditions:
- You must tell the officers before LDoN opens that you plan to switch to Berserker as your primary, and you want to utilize the free Berserker primary change.
- Once you have told the officers you plan to do a Berserker primary change, you are not allowed to loot any Tier 1 items in PoP/LDoN up until 1 month before GoD launch. If you have looted a Tier 1 PoP/LDoN item already, you are required to pay back its cost as a DKP fine.
- For Luclin you can take any and all items under no penalty. For PoP/LDoN you can take any/all items you wish at no penalty, other than Tier 1 items.
Special classes we lack
A free change of primary character can be done if you are changing to a class the guild is lacking or is very low on that is deemed beneficial to have more of for coming raids and/or expansions, provided that the class you are changing from would not fall under the same category.
Depending on the change, a free change of Secondary can be allowed to facilitate a better class combination. Only one such change can be done within a 3 month period and you can not have spent any dkp the last 2 weeks on the character you are changing from.
Current list of classes we could use more of: Bard, Paladin, Shadowknight, Shaman, Wizard
Changing your Secondary
It will be more difficult to gear a second character then a main. For that reason we want players to carefully consider their choice of 2nd character, as it will be fairly detrimental to try and gear out a whole new character at Secondary priority (Primaries have highest priority so are actually easier to catch up after a change) and do not really want people to change these characters regularly. With that being said, we understand circumstances will arise where this will happen, but there will be several conditions to a Secondary change:
- Secondaryswitches can only be done a maximum of once every expansion.
- A Secondary change costs 100 DKP.
- Switching your Primary to your Secondary and making your Secondary your new Primary is the same cost as a normal Primary change--100 DKP (This may change).
- If you change your secondary, you generally will not be allowed to change it again until at least 2 expansions have passed. So if you change your Secondary at beginning of Gates of Discord (EQ's 7th Expansion), you wouldn't be able to change it again until the start of Dragons of Norrath (EQ's 9th expansion.)
- Secondary characters, like Primary characters, are expected to have appropriate amounts of AA and gear starting in Gates of Discord. This means if you are switching a Secondary, your new Secondary will need to be relatively well geared and have AA. Well geared means "full set of high quality group-tier loot, fully augmented with LDoN group augs at minimum", and an appropriate amount of AAs that will be discussed when an officer is handling your Secondary request.
Your "Primary" is your main character and the character you will play most of the time in raids, Primaries receive the highest loot priority in most situations.
Every member in the guild is entitled to select one of their characters as their "Secondary" character, your Secondary (or "Second"/"2nd") is a character that will receive higher priority in the loot system than other Box's, but lower priority than Primary characters in most situations. Under the current DKP system loot priority is as follows:
Expectations and Use of Secondary characters
We have a few expectations for Secondaries since they do receive a loot privilege. We expect they generally be "decently" geared. In Kunrak and beyond 2nds will be expected to have no empty gear slots, and to have generally decent group quality loot in most gear slots. They should also generally keep up with AAs to some degree, they do not need to be max AA but they should not be 0 AA characters. You are not required to have a 2nd.
If you have a 2nd, you are required to bring it to every raid you bring your main to.
If RL is blocking you from bringing your secondary character for some reason
1. If you do not bring your secondary to a raid, you will immediately receive a 1 week lock out from the secondary category, which can be relinquished early for 20DKP (missing any of the 3 raids we do in a week on your sec will incur this penalty)
2. If you miss further raids, you will continue get another stack of this penalty, up to a maximum of 4 weeks (max of an 80 DKP fine)
3. If your secondary is locked, they can be dropped from raid a full raid in favour of another secondary/box if that class is needed more for the content
2nd's pay generally 1/3rd of the "Primary" price for an item rounded down. Your 2nd spends from your Primary's DKP pool.
A Box is basically any boxed character you have that isn't a Primary or Secondary. They can participate in raids 100% at raid leader discretion, they generally can't take raid spots over Primary or Secondary. We have much lower expectations for box's than Primary/Secondary. These are essentially the "trash eating" alts, who are utilized to take rotting gear. While we have no formal expectations for box's, you still need to be a generally useful raid member. If your box is causing problems it will be asked to sit out. If you just want a character available to "take a rot", leave the character outside the raid. We expect you are still able to "effectively play" an Alt, but we understand they will often be undergeared and boxed characters so will not play to the level of a Primary character or a 2nd.
Box's pay generally 1/6th of the "Primary" price for an item rounded down. Your Box spends from your Primary's DKP pool.
A character that is on the same account as your main, secondary or box's
Our system is an open-bid, hybrid-auction/Category based DKP system. You send bids in a channel within predetermined bid ranges.
You earn points based on how much raiding you do. We take attendance "ticks" hourly, or half-hourly for very short raids. The current value is 2 DKP per hourly tick.
How to spend points
When raid bosses are killed, in a loot channel--which will be a loot channel that you are required to join, you will participate in an auction conducted by whichever officer is functioning as auctioneer for the raid.
Take note: If you upgrade a slot with DKP, you have to wait another 14 days before you can upgrade the same slot with DKP.
If no one from category 1 wants the item it goes to category 2 and so on
The membership category always bids first on items, the membership category is defined by the people who were applicants but now fulfill the membership requirements and members that have an attendance of minimum 51% over the last 30 day's. Bid order: Mains, Secondary's, Box's
People in the member category that are below 51% attendance over the last 30 days bid next: Mains, Secondary's, Box's
Will only be lottoed in Category 1, if no one wants to spend DKP on it, it goes to the guild bank.
Items in the guild bank up to a value of 3 Krono can be bought by members at a 30% deduction of the current tlpauction/bazaar price up to a total of 10% of the current value of a Krono.
So if a Krono is worth 15.000 and you want to buy an item worth 3 Krono the cost would be 45.000-1.500= 43.500 platinum
Items worth more then 3 Krono will be sold at full price either to members or the open market.
There is no need for a guildbank full of Krono, so Krono will be auctioned on random raids for a flat price of 20 DKP, who wins will be determined based on your current RA(Raid attendance). Everyone that want's to buy a Krono on a current raid has to get one before anyone can buy a second or third Krono and so on.
To be eligible to buy a krono at a raid, you need to have been in the raid for a minimum of an hour before the Krono auction starts or if it is less then an hour since the raid started you need to have been in the raid from the start.
Priority item bids
There are some items that benefit the guild the most if they go to certain classes, like piercing weapons to rogues, bow's to rangers, aggro weapons to war's and so on, thees items will be done by a so called Priority item bids before the item goes to a "normal" bid. A list of Priority bid items for each expansion and what classes are eligible for them, can be found in the member section of the boards. If you won a shield or any other item that only goes in one slot in the current expansion via a reserved item win, you can not enter another priority item bid for the same slot of the same type until the next expansion is released.
Most people can box 2 chars fairly easy and with good proficiency and there are many situation were having a cle or bard secondary at a raid is the difference between winning and loosing, so the bidding goes like this for the current category: Priority items (mains, secondary's and box's are eligible) -> Mains -> Secondary's -> Box's, before going to the next category.
Mains pay full price for items
Secondary's pay 1/3 of bid price rounded down
Box's pay 1/6 of bid price rounded down
The auction will open with the officer posting the name of the item being auctioned, and the minimum price. For visible armor slots and quest items for them, the min bid is 1 DKP. For Normal Tier raid loot the minimum price is 5 DKP and the maximum bid/price is 80 DKP for any item, with tiebreakers settled by highest current RA30, if two or more people have the same RA30, it continue to RA60/90/lifetime number of attended raids. If two or more people have the same RA, quick loot council consisting of Raid Leaders and officers will decide who gets the item by majority vote.
The Auction has the following rules:
- You can "match" a current bid (highest current RA/30/60/90 wins if it ends in a tie)
- You can "raise" a current bid, the typical minimum you can raise by is 5 DKP, unless you do not have enough DKP to raise by 5 and are going "all in."
- You can "raise" a current bid by more than 5 but it has to be a bid that is a multiple of 5, again unless you are going "all in." For example you can drop 50 as your current bid right off the bat, or 80. You can also go all in right off the bat if you have say, 74 DKP and bid 74 DKP.
- The only exception to the minimum raise of 5 DKP for Normal Tier loot is when you are raising someone's "all in", so if someone goes all in at 36 DKP, you can raise to 40, or if they went all in at 38 you could raise to 40. You basically can raise to the next lowest 5 DKP interval if you want (you always have the option to raise even more.)
You can only bid DKP you have displayed currently on the DKP site, and you are expected to mentally "deduct" any DKP you have spent that isn't yet entered into the site.
For Low Tier items there is no minimum price, the auction starts at 1 DKP, and bids can be submitted in 1 DKP increments up to 15 DKP. If a Low Tier item auction exceeds 15 DKP it has to then follow the normal 5 DKP increments for raises.
There is a maximum bid of 80 DKP on any item, ties are broken based on who has the highest current RA30 % and after that RA60/90 number of attended raids
Winner always pays what they bid, there is a 5 DKP charge for any retracted bids that will be enforced WITHOUT DISCRETION OR EXCEPTION, retracting a bid costs 5 DKP so do not waste the guild or the auctioneers time with retractions or bids that you don't mean, the only exception is if it is an initial bid and you retract it.
This is not a "Second Price" system where you pay +1 over the highest losing bid. If you drop an 80 bid at the start of the auction and win, and no one else bids, you still pay the full price of your bid. Do not bid unless you're willing to pay that price, because you aren't getting any relief on it.
Example normal bids
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Sceptre of Destruction 5 DKP MIN"
Rankor tells bidz:2, "25 Secondary"
Majestique tells bidz:2, "40 Box"
Tanky tells bidz:2, "15 Main"
Foxtrot tells bidz:2, "20 Main"
Tanky tells bidz:2, "25 Main"
Foxtrot tells bidz:2, "30 Main"
Tanky tells bidz:2, "ALL IN 32 Main"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Sceptre of Destruction Sceptre of Destruction - Tanky - Main, 15 dkp, 30s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Sceptre of Destruction Sceptre of Destruction - Tanky - Main, 15 dkp, 20s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Sceptre of Destruction Sceptre of Destruction - Tanky - Main, 15 dkp, 10s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Sceptre of Destruction Sceptre of Destruction - Tanky - Main, 15 dkp, Grats"
Example epic bids (no drop items), your raid attendance % for the last 30 days
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Signed Scroll"
Rankor tells bidz:2, "55%"
Majestique tells bidz:2, "99%"
Tanky tells bidz:2, "88%"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Epic, Signed Scroll - Majestique - 99%, 30s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Epic, Signed Scroll - Majestique - 99%, 20s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Epic, Signed Scroll - Majestique - 99%, 10s"
Gugagan tells bidz:2, "Auction Category 1, Epic, Signed Scroll - Majestique - 99%, Grats"
Who wins the loot?
Generally speaking whomever bids the highest wins. Secondary characters can bid, however any Primary character bid outweighs theirs (and they should stop bidding in the current auction once a Primary has bid.) The priority for the ranks is Primary > Secondary > Box.
What are the item/bid tiers?
Normal Tier: Elemental God loot, any Plane of Time Loot. Normal Tier items the starting bid is 5 DKP and it increases by 5 DKP increments with a maximum bid of 80.
Low Tier: All Elemental Loot other than loot off the 4 Elemental Gods (Fennin Ro, Coirnav, Avatar of Earth/Rathe Council, Xegony.) Low Tier items start bids at 1 DKP and can be increased in 1 DKP increments until 15 DKP has been reached, after which they are bid at 5 DKP increments to a maximum bid of 80.
Junk Tier: Junk Tier is any item no one is willing to bid on, if it is a no drop item it will be rolled via the raid tool, Characters in category 2 (mains, secondary's, box's) selects need, they have to select greed, every one else selects greed. Non no drop items will be rolled in the Advanced loot tool or go to the guild bank at the leaderships discretion.
Please Note: Typically Junk Tier raiding after our initial flagging will be rare and not normally done as a normal guild raid, so these scenarios will be uncommon for most expansions.
"Quick Loot Council" typically means interested parties quickly link their current item for that slot and the officer(s)/raid leader(s) running the raid quickly determines whom the item is most appropriate for. Note that because of our rule about not raiding with empty slots or "no-stat" items (i.e. cloth/mesh/bronze/banded etc) if your current slot is empty or "no-stat", you are not eligible for the item at all.
What if no one wants an Item (Junk Tier)?
For normal DKP items if no one bids at all, then it is rolled in the advanced loot window. This isn't intended to be fair, it's intended to reflect the fact the guild has deemed the item worth less than 5/1 DKP and thus the guild leadership is "disposing of it" with a roll system that offers main characters no protection at all (as they had the option to avail themselves of the DKP system and declined it.)
As mentioned above sometimes Junk Tier items will be rolled. These are raid items we essentially consider to be "group quality" loot, or raid loot that can actually be acquired in a group. An example are items like the Plane of Growth class armors, that can be acquired by a small group farming the trash, or one off items that are very low quality off of raid bosses (this issue becomes less common after Luclin.)
**IN THE ADVANCED LOOT WINDOW, Characters in category 2 (mains, secondary's, box's) selects need, they have to select greed, every one else selects greed.**
To repeat: ROLLED items are rolled in the Advanced Loot Window. Characters in category 1 and 2 (mains, secondary's, box's) selects need, if you want the item for an Alt, you have to select greed.
If a no trade item on a raid gets rolled by mistake by the loot master in the item manager, if someone loots that item even if it is by mistake, they will be fined a flat 100 dkp for the item in question.
They will be auctioned based on who is at the step to use them and Raid Attendance % at no DKP cost
Tradable items like Dragon Scales will be looted by the guild bank and handed out to Category 1 members when they are at the step to use the item.
Category 2 long term/high attendance members
Main characters who are lower then 51% RA30/Cat1, will be able to bid as if they were a box in cat 1 if they have at least 20% RA and 50 dkp currently banked:
1. Only applies to their Main character
2. Have a minimum raid attendance of 20% over 30 days and 50 dkp currently banked
3. Only be able to bid as a Box
4. Does not receive the 1/6 discount that normal box bids benefit from
Spells will be handed out to players at the current raid based on current Raid attendance % for the last 30 days. Spells that are not needed will be looted and sold for guild funds.
Non Official raids
The attendance at a non official guild raid can chose to follow whatever rules they want, but if they want to follow the guild rules and spend DKP, they can also do so. They can however not earn DKP nor RA during non official raids.
The DKP spent will be added to the next official raid we do as a guild by an officer who participated in the raid, or they will be posted in the DKP-section on discord by the person leading the raid, if no officers were present.
To become an applicant you just need an invite from any full member
To bid in the member category of items, you need to maintain a minimum of 51% raid attendance over the last 30 days.
Helping keeping honest people honest
If you are found trying to pass off a Secondary or box as a "main" along with another main or more, all characters in the guild that are involved will be removed and all points on the web page for all characters will be deleted.
If a raid is full, box's from category 2 will be asked to leave the raid first, then from category 1, the only exception to this will be if a certain class is needed to accomplish the raid the only option is a box's.